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		<title>By: Limerick Tango &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Machismo</title>
		<link>http://www.limericktango.com/2008/03/in-response-to-the-pc-fication-of-tango/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Limerick Tango &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Machismo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that will engage and not just follow. Now I&#8217;m not talking about missplaced feminism or the followers empowerment movement, the inappropriately chosen counter-barida or adornments done to beat the band. I mean moving [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that will engage and not just follow. Now I&#8217;m not talking about missplaced feminism or the followers empowerment movement, the inappropriately chosen counter-barida or adornments done to beat the band. I mean moving [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Limerick Tango &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Preparatory VII: Mark 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Limerick Tango &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Preparatory VII: Mark 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This time round I spent more time explictly working on correct and exact foot positioning and it paid off. I&#8217;m warming to this step a bit more because it, literally, requires the leader to step up to the plate and be decisive. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This time round I spent more time explictly working on correct and exact foot positioning and it paid off. I&#8217;m warming to this step a bit more because it, literally, requires the leader to step up to the plate and be decisive. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: koolricky</title>
		<link>http://www.limericktango.com/2008/03/in-response-to-the-pc-fication-of-tango/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>koolricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunatlely, LimerickTango, such classes do exist, and they are probably more common than the ones where the same amount of info should be given to both genders. I was lucky enough not to br brought up in those kind of classes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunatlely, LimerickTango, such classes do exist, and they are probably more common than the ones where the same amount of info should be given to both genders. I was lucky enough not to br brought up in those kind of classes!</p>
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		<title>By: Limerick Tango</title>
		<link>http://www.limericktango.com/2008/03/in-response-to-the-pc-fication-of-tango/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Limerick Tango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zeesh! People get away with running classes like that?&lt;br/&gt;In any class that I&#039;ve ever organised if a difficult week for the leaders isn&#039;t balanced with an interesting week for the ladies the natives get restless very quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zeesh! People get away with running classes like that?<br />In any class that I&#8217;ve ever organised if a difficult week for the leaders isn&#8217;t balanced with an interesting week for the ladies the natives get restless very quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: msHedgehog</title>
		<link>http://www.limericktango.com/2008/03/in-response-to-the-pc-fication-of-tango/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>msHedgehog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard that some men don&#039;t like dancing with women who lead - perhaps they don&#039;t realise how easy it is to switch roles a hundred times a day, something women are trained from birth to do - and some women get fed up with role-playing and overlook the possibilities for self-expression when you put your mind to a challenging one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard that some men don&#8217;t like dancing with women who lead &#8211; perhaps they don&#8217;t realise how easy it is to switch roles a hundred times a day, something women are trained from birth to do &#8211; and some women get fed up with role-playing and overlook the possibilities for self-expression when you put your mind to a challenging one.</p>
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		<title>By: msHedgehog</title>
		<link>http://www.limericktango.com/2008/03/in-response-to-the-pc-fication-of-tango/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>msHedgehog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree it is very common for teachers to ignore the followers completely and give them no instruction, very little feedback, and nothing to work with - especially in cases where the class is challenging for most of the leaders present. My approach is to go to every class with my own plan to pay an hour&#039;s attention to some aspect of my own technique, within whatever happens to be taught. If something interesting turns up then I drop that and start paying attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it is very common for teachers to ignore the followers completely and give them no instruction, very little feedback, and nothing to work with &#8211; especially in cases where the class is challenging for most of the leaders present. My approach is to go to every class with my own plan to pay an hour&#8217;s attention to some aspect of my own technique, within whatever happens to be taught. If something interesting turns up then I drop that and start paying attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://www.limericktango.com/2008/03/in-response-to-the-pc-fication-of-tango/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supanthress - I meant those words in terms of opposites: inner/outer, mental/physical, control/surrender, etc.  Yes, &quot;mechanical&quot; does sound robotic, but I meant it in terms of the lead having to provide information that gives the follow an indication of which direction to go.  This is &quot;mechanics&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By &quot;intellectual&quot; I meant inner, spiritual, not necessarily &quot;thinking&quot; (which definitely gets in the way of listening and following).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I tend to keep classifications simple (as in either/or) to facilitate clarification.  This need to &quot;soften&quot; or expand, or &quot;grey-ify&quot; each role is, in my eyes, partly the result of the &quot;follower&#039;s empowerment&quot; movement.    But for the discussion of lead and follow,they simply fall into opposite categories.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course, NOTHING in life is actually black and white - everything is shades of gray :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supanthress &#8211; I meant those words in terms of opposites: inner/outer, mental/physical, control/surrender, etc.  Yes, &#8220;mechanical&#8221; does sound robotic, but I meant it in terms of the lead having to provide information that gives the follow an indication of which direction to go.  This is &#8220;mechanics&#8221;.</p>
<p>By &#8220;intellectual&#8221; I meant inner, spiritual, not necessarily &#8220;thinking&#8221; (which definitely gets in the way of listening and following).</p>
<p>I tend to keep classifications simple (as in either/or) to facilitate clarification.  This need to &#8220;soften&#8221; or expand, or &#8220;grey-ify&#8221; each role is, in my eyes, partly the result of the &#8220;follower&#8217;s empowerment&#8221; movement.    But for the discussion of lead and follow,they simply fall into opposite categories.</p>
<p>Of course, NOTHING in life is actually black and white &#8211; everything is shades of gray <img src='http://www.limericktango.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Supantheress</title>
		<link>http://www.limericktango.com/2008/03/in-response-to-the-pc-fication-of-tango/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Supantheress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Everyone! :-)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;(I&#039;m in a good mood &#039;cos it&#039;s sunny in England!!)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Johanna, I&#039;m not sure if you can simply (:P) conclude, &quot;leading is mechanical, following is intellectual&quot;. Because I have started learning how to lead recently and I re-realise that it requires a lot of quick-and-deep-thinking. On the other hand, I tell my partner, who is a leader but has started learning to follow recently (it is a very good way to see what happens on the other side of the table!!), to stop thinking. As soon as he starts thinking he guesses what I am going to do. Once he stopped thinking and just started &#039;feeling&#039; then he became much better. Acute and sensitive perceptivity is perhaps what&#039;s required in a good follower, with intelligence, of course. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&#039;Mechanical&#039; sounds like the leader is being robbotic...? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mr Limerick, yes, &#039;structures&#039; sounds good. Thanks!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have another question for you, folks. Somebody in the past mentioned that they weren&#039;t happy about the fact that followers weren&#039;t given enough instruction in classes (this isn&#039;t just one place, I think this tends to happen in many tango schools in UK) and that most instruction is given to leaders, and the followers are always expected to just &#039;follow&#039;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everyone! <img src='http://www.limericktango.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(I&#8217;m in a good mood &#8216;cos it&#8217;s sunny in England!!)</p>
<p>Johanna, I&#8217;m not sure if you can simply (:P) conclude, &#8220;leading is mechanical, following is intellectual&#8221;. Because I have started learning how to lead recently and I re-realise that it requires a lot of quick-and-deep-thinking. On the other hand, I tell my partner, who is a leader but has started learning to follow recently (it is a very good way to see what happens on the other side of the table!!), to stop thinking. As soon as he starts thinking he guesses what I am going to do. Once he stopped thinking and just started &#8216;feeling&#8217; then he became much better. Acute and sensitive perceptivity is perhaps what&#8217;s required in a good follower, with intelligence, of course. </p>
<p>&#8216;Mechanical&#8217; sounds like the leader is being robbotic&#8230;? </p>
<p>Mr Limerick, yes, &#8216;structures&#8217; sounds good. Thanks!</p>
<p>I have another question for you, folks. Somebody in the past mentioned that they weren&#8217;t happy about the fact that followers weren&#8217;t given enough instruction in classes (this isn&#8217;t just one place, I think this tends to happen in many tango schools in UK) and that most instruction is given to leaders, and the followers are always expected to just &#8216;follow&#8217;.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I DON&#039;T disagree with you, Limerick :-)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sometimes it&#039;s hard to express these thoughts - I agree that less is more.  It is a very simple process (exchange of information) which is NOT &quot;easy&quot; to do well.  Which is why so many seek to change it (read: make it easier).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To wit: a lot of folks eschew &quot;walking&quot; because it is too &quot;hard&quot;.  The reason it&#039;s hard is because the simplicity of it isn&#039;t masked with a frenzy of embellishments to cover up bad form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I DON&#8217;T disagree with you, Limerick <img src='http://www.limericktango.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sometimes it&#8217;s hard to express these thoughts &#8211; I agree that less is more.  It is a very simple process (exchange of information) which is NOT &#8220;easy&#8221; to do well.  Which is why so many seek to change it (read: make it easier).</p>
<p>To wit: a lot of folks eschew &#8220;walking&#8221; because it is too &#8220;hard&#8221;.  The reason it&#8217;s hard is because the simplicity of it isn&#8217;t masked with a frenzy of embellishments to cover up bad form.</p>
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		<title>By: Limerick Tango</title>
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		<dc:creator>Limerick Tango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Johanna: I&#039;ll have to disagree with you there, tango is very hard because it is very, very simple. The mistake many people make is thinking that the words simple and easy mean the same thing, if they did why have two words for the same thing. It is very difficult to make ones movement simple, to strip out the unnecessary, we are over-evolved apes and at times we still want to be rolling across the plains.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I once made the joke that Women follow because Men are no good at reading minds, unfortunately I was dancing with a member of the &quot;followers empowerment&quot; movement at the time and she didn&#039;t get the humour of it at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Johanna: I&#8217;ll have to disagree with you there, tango is very hard because it is very, very simple. The mistake many people make is thinking that the words simple and easy mean the same thing, if they did why have two words for the same thing. It is very difficult to make ones movement simple, to strip out the unnecessary, we are over-evolved apes and at times we still want to be rolling across the plains.</p>
<p>I once made the joke that Women follow because Men are no good at reading minds, unfortunately I was dancing with a member of the &#8220;followers empowerment&#8221; movement at the time and she didn&#8217;t get the humour of it at all.</p>
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